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Post by Kart33 on Dec 4, 2009 10:47:36 GMT 9.5
As far as I know there have been no new rules put in for the new season regarding weights.
Does anybody know if any of the other proposed rules got in?
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Post by Kart 15 on Dec 7, 2009 14:18:44 GMT 9.5
Heard that clutches are completely banned except for in Rookies. ;D Anybody else hear this???
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 7, 2009 16:35:38 GMT 9.5
not correct a move was made to ban ALL clutches in state national and local competions this rule proposal was with drawn and another put forward for voting by all clubs and their members your secretary would have had the propasl before the end of last week which had to be voted on by friday 4th december. The proposal looked at banning All clutches completely I had not heard the result of vote as yet. KT Clutches were approved quite a while ago subject to a suitable cluctche being available and testing done this rule was not altered>>but would depend on the amended rule that was to be voted on result ask your club executive for the result of voting they should know now or very soon.
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Post by Kart 63 on Dec 7, 2009 18:30:49 GMT 9.5
not correct a move was made to ban ALL clutches in state national and local competions this rule proposal was with drawn and another put forward for voting by all clubs and their members your secretary would have had the propasl before the end of last week which had to be voted on by friday 4th december. The proposal looked at banning All clutches completely I had not heard the result of vote as yet. KT Clutches were approved quite a while ago subject to a suitable cluctche being available and testing done this rule was not altered>>but would depend on the amended rule that was to be voted on result ask your club executive for the result of voting they should know now or very soon. They have been voted out. The amended rule was voted in NO more clutches.
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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2009 15:24:58 GMT 9.5
Yes the proposed rule has been passed, no more clutches 7 clubs voted to ban clutches and only 3 clubs voted to keep clutches.
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 9, 2009 15:44:33 GMT 9.5
I would hope there is going to be an amnesty on implementing this rule I know of quite a few who have just bought clutches and starters and with the cost involved they should be allowed to use them. At a combined cost of around $600.00 for the the two not a lot of people can write of this amount I know of one parent buying two plus a starter they can not afford that loss. I for one will be bringing this up again at the next aidka meeting. Clutches are used in other forms of kart racing and should be in dirt kart racing for safety of pushers and for a training format for younger drivers not just rookies I feel this decision was short minded and I will be pushing for a rethink to this amended rule.
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Post by Glad on Dec 9, 2009 17:50:07 GMT 9.5
I would hope there is going to be an amnesty on implementing this rule I know of quite a few who have just bought clutches and starters and with the cost involved they should be allowed to use them. At a combined cost of around $600.00 for the the two not a lot of people can write of this amount I know of one parent buying two plus a starter they can not afford that loss. I for one will be bringing this up again at the next aidka meeting. Clutches are used in other forms of kart racing and should be in dirt kart racing for safety of pushers and for a training format for younger drivers not just rookies I feel this decision was short minded and I will be pushing for a rethink to this amended rule. Once a rule is in it cannot be changed for two years and if people went out a brought clutches that is just too bad. If they had the money for starters to go out and buy a clutch and starter which is like $500 I'm sure they will be able to manage. Also clutches maybe good for OH&S but the negatives fare out weight the positives. People who have clutches have the ability to continue racing once they crash and this is not fair on other junior races who do not have a clutch. As junior classes are supposed to be a cheaper class why not just get ride of clutches. I'm happy they did as now junior drivers will be able to learn to drive the proper way, like when they crash there race is over. Just My 2 Cents
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 9, 2009 18:24:45 GMT 9.5
Guest Glad Obviously you don't like clutches Well lets make it across the board and remove them from 125 class. Thats a very nieve approach to say you bought it bad luck, a lot of people don't have the luxury you seem to think they have and can not write of that expense. I hear this the negatives outweigh the positives, ok you have stated one what are the rest, Let the juniors learn to drive the proper way, and later in their driving Carree have the opportunity to up class to 125's and have a clutch! Maybe the rule can not be changed quickly but it does not stop me putting back on the agenda at the next aidka meeting. Maybe aidka should look at reimbursing the cost of clutches that have just been bought. Now thats not going to happen, so let them use them for next season and and at season's end stop there use by way of this amended rule
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Post by Mr X on Dec 9, 2009 18:43:32 GMT 9.5
Not a lot of people have clutches. So it only effects the minority but losing an expense is the way to go as racing can get expensive. You shouldn't need a clutch it is just an extra expense. AIDKA wont reimbursing the cost of clutches at all as most people knew they where on the way out.
125cc have clutches and look at them they are the dirtiest driving class out of all the karts. Clutches encourage desperate moves as people know when they crash they can keep going. As all 125cc can restart this is fair but the main point for getting ride of clutches I think was that clubs saw the unfair incidents clutches brought. It is either everybody has a clutch or no body has a clutch and I think AIDKA has made the right choice as clutches are an extra expense that is not needed in Junior/J Open classes.
I remember a wise member of this forum called Tom who suggested that clutches were a bad idea and when everyone else was endorsing them he stuck to his opinion. It only took us (the karting community) a short while to see what he was on about and why cluctches are not a good option.
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Post by kart 96 on Dec 9, 2009 20:26:07 GMT 9.5
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Post by kart 96 on Dec 9, 2009 20:36:02 GMT 9.5
I think my last post missed a line. Should have read 125cc engines , have a purpose built & designed clutch, factory tested for the engine , not using an after market or chinese imported clutch that can vary from batch to batch.
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Post by Kart 106 JOpen Rocks on Dec 10, 2009 6:04:43 GMT 9.5
Tried a clutch - gets full of dirt nut came loose & jamed on grid. Saw a parent with starter get ran into on grid when kart didn't start . Bitumen racer told me crankshaft end brake from using a clutch thats why guard they sell stops clutch spinning off when shaft breaks. Have raced without it now & dont miss hassles. Sproket is cheap now @$12. Sold mine to bitumen dude, his problem now. Think bitumen dudes will come to dirt now.
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Post by tom on Dec 15, 2009 14:46:25 GMT 9.5
I haven't really been keeping up with all the clutch commotion, but if clutches are no longer allowed the AIDKA exec. should remove the statement from the AIDKA homepage saying they are optional.
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 15, 2009 15:22:54 GMT 9.5
stay tunned there is a possible constitution problem with the vote on this rule change it may become a null and void vote shortly.
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Post by Kart 15 on Dec 15, 2009 16:31:00 GMT 9.5
stay tunned there is a possible constitution problem with the vote on this rule change it may become a null and void vote shortly. That is a little hard, all the tracks Would just vote on it again next year and they will go eventually. Don't see what the problem is, if they do change there minds a lot people will be so confused on what to do including me. I still can't understand why when something this big happens why nobody gets notified. AIDKA really needs to improve there communication with there members. MAYBE update the website.
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 15, 2009 17:33:44 GMT 9.5
I do agree about the website. There has been a change in some of the executive positions and this has not been shown on the website as is some of the information out dated, hopefully something can be done about it in the break. Having the site only updated every couple of months thats has been the case doesn't help people obtaining information. The executive need to address this quickly.
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Post by WA Dirt Kart racer on Dec 15, 2009 20:51:52 GMT 9.5
Clutches r gon , ;D 2010 is clear, sum wer quic 2 of load, wen they herd from AIDKA . Mate sold strike starter 2 a 125cc fun gokarter. He had clutches but wer good 4 parts only. Racer Tom wz rite , ppl saw problem in time. J- open will b good now. The problem started wen clutches came in, out of the blu , they ended in time with nearly al the clubs saying NO. The process 4 all rule changes is finished, & starts again in late 2010. I herd my Lightning floor panel is now OK with the gaps, tat wil save money as its not old..
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 15, 2009 21:19:15 GMT 9.5
You are wrong WA Dirt Kart Racer. You need to obtain a copy of AIDKA Constitution the information regarding rule change is not as you stated Read section 18. c.part d will explain a lot, and further read the rules regarding rule changes in rule book. Yes you heard right regarding floor.
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Post by Brook on Dec 15, 2009 22:18:21 GMT 9.5
It's a shame everyone is missing the point with using a clutch, as a parent who was trying to help my child improve there driving and confidence a clutch was a good option, it allowed my child to gain more track time and the improvement in driving ability was noticeable by myself and many others. It is unfortunate that we are not allowed to practice (legally) on our tracks anymore and maybe this might be a good forum topic and could be pushed to AIDKA. Many of my friends joined karting in the past simply by having a go in my kart at a testing day at our club.
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Post by outlaw19 on Dec 15, 2009 22:43:55 GMT 9.5
Finally someone has the understanding of clutch issue isntead of some of the reasons being bandied around. Clutches are a good tool for teaching confidence to younger drivers. The other issues regarding spinning out and being able to drive off again especially as noted about an incident at the nationals come down to drving standards and not a tech issue. It is up to the chief steward to advise drivers at the meetings what the requirements are relating to spinning or comming to a stop are. It can be addressed but not removing the option and I repeat option of using clutches is very short sighted to kart racing. As far as was periously stated comment about mud blocking the clutch that is a maintence issue not a tech issue. Look at what they are and the benifit for younger drivers and for the safety of helpers. upsracing as far as others having a go most clubs run an education day and there is also the option of a day licence if I remeber right the cost is around $8.00 for people to have a go which will allow others to have a go and promote karting to others as you have previously done
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