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Post by Kartracer1 on Jun 21, 2009 11:05:02 GMT 9.5
Just wondering what the average life expectancy of a chassis is.Is it a brand thing or country of manufacturer? Is it possible to extend the life of the chassis by adjusting torsion bars and trying to stiffen it up that way?(talking about metal fatigue)
How old is too old?
Also are the new chassis from say BRK or Lightning really that much better than the old ones. I'm pretty sure the BRK Rush came out in like half a year so who can say it is better. Lightning were testing I think for like 4 years or so.
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Post by Kart61 on Jun 21, 2009 11:10:04 GMT 9.5
It depends on the brand and model of kart - even the good builders get some models wrong. I personally believe the BRK new model the rush wasn't properly tested. Also it depends on the track it's run at (level changes and corners at the same instant can be torture to a frame); driver weight; driver style (i.e. some people are very hard on pedal) Also the amount of crashes you have had or rollovers for instance. If you're a beginner and want an old kart get one but don't spend a lot on it; you're often better off with a newish one. Also if you want a great tested kart buy a Lightning which have been extensively tested by the Burfords and you know what you giving at getting back from the Burfords.  |
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Post by tom on Jun 22, 2009 0:11:20 GMT 9.5
I think as long as the frame isn't twisted, and importantly still has even flex across the waist, then it doesn't matter how old it is..
There is another thread discussing the new BRK rush. I think the number of people winning meetings with this chassis speaks for itself. I also agree the the Lightning chassis would be a good choice.
The biggest advantage with running a new chassis is that the quick drivers will all have a new chassis, and you can find one of them that is the same build as yourself and copy their set-up!
If you are just starting off, a good second hand chassis will serve you well.. Find someone experienced in the sport that you trust to come along and view a second hand kart before you buy it (even if it is from a dealer).
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Post by Rob on Jun 23, 2009 12:44:25 GMT 9.5
I have a lightning that I won a territory title back in 98 my lad is racing it now in the KT lights as a second drive [also runs 125 lights] & he is up with the top 5 runners so I dont think the age is the main factor as much as long as its straight & hasnt been broken & welded also a lot has to do with the motor & driver
I ran a 2007 brown in 125 heavy for 1 year didnt like it & have gone back to a lightning frame 2 years older & it is so much better
so it all comes down to individual liking
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Post by Kart 111 on Jul 1, 2009 21:38:08 GMT 9.5
As long as the chassis is straight and you know how to handle the kart thats what counts on the weekend at Adelaide Michael Miller driving his benson smashed everyone. He even won a race from the back of the pack. This proves that it is mostly the driver and not the chassis but a straight new, properly setup chassis helps. Also why is it that not alot of people have the new Rush kart from brown. I finally think that the karter have woken up and have realized that their karts are just fine. The drivers that win the titles for BRK have been winning titles for years. Those drivers are great but the could have achieved a whole lot more. Take a look at all of Lightning top drivers from the old days they have all gone to bigger and better things like sprintcars and Brownies drivers are where still racing karts. ########################################## This is coming from someone who finally woke up from his dream of wining in a brown because I know i'm no fedda, carruthers, walker, moore or ben.  False hope! |
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Post by Mr X on Jul 2, 2009 16:39:33 GMT 9.5
You are basically saying this  |
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Post by Mr X on Jul 2, 2009 16:40:21 GMT 9.5
You are basically saying this  I agree Totally about the top driver post. |
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Post by Karterdude! on Jul 2, 2009 16:44:53 GMT 9.5
We get it I can't believe some people can be so childish. Those are very wise words and already over 1500 people have seen them. The picture is a bit to far though but I can totally see your point of view now.
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Post by Mr X on Jul 3, 2009 15:03:00 GMT 9.5
Hey why did the picture get removed I am entitled to my opinion why did it get removed it doesn't break any rules. So Why?
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2009 16:50:59 GMT 9.5
Hey why did the picture get removed I am entitled to my opinion why did it get removed it doesn't break any rules. So Why? Their has been numerous complaints about the picture. You wouldn't like it if someone was to put that picture which involved Lightning Karts this is why It was removed. It is your opinion but please don'r post that picture again. You have got your first strike three strikes and your account will be banned. Dirt Kart Racing Talk is trying to promote the sport of Dirt Karting not bad mouth other manufacturers. |
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Post by guest on Jul 9, 2009 21:05:41 GMT 9.5
Also why is it that not alot of people have the new Rush kart from brown. I finally think that the karter have woken up and have realized that their karts are just fine. The drivers that win the titles for BRK have been winning titles for years. Those drivers are great but the could have achieved a whole lot more. Take a look at all of Lightning top drivers from the old days they have all gone to bigger and better things like sprintcars and Brownies drivers are where still racing karts. ########################################## This is coming from someone who finally woke up from his dream of wining in a brown because I know i'm no fedda, carruthers, walker, moore or ben. False hope!  fedda carruthers walker moore could win in anything not just a brown there no special treatment for them!! and at the end of the day were all racing the same track and they just seam to be doing better and now all use the rush chaise so cant bag that !! also as with achieving there is 4 drivers that race brown karts that now race formula 500's and there is also people like James McFadden and Danny reidy who drive REAL sprintcars for a living not 360's ;D |
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Post by The king on Jul 10, 2009 12:18:06 GMT 9.5
Also why is it that not alot of people have the new Rush kart from brown. I finally think that the karter have woken up and have realized that their karts are just fine. The drivers that win the titles for BRK have been winning titles for years. Those drivers are great but the could have achieved a whole lot more. Take a look at all of Lightning top drivers from the old days they have all gone to bigger and better things like sprintcars and Brownies drivers are where still racing karts. ########################################## This is coming from someone who finally woke up from his dream of wining in a brown because I know i'm no fedda, carruthers, walker, moore or ben. False hope! fedda carruthers walker moore could win in anything not just a brown there no special treatment for them!! and at the end of the day were all racing the same track and they just seam to be doing better and now all use the rush chaise so cant bag that !! also as with achieving there is 4 drivers that race brown karts that now race formula 500's and there is also people like James McFadden and Danny reidy who drive REAL sprintcars for a living not 360's ;D i would be rather racing 360 then go karts. Formula 500's are shit. so before you say something get the facts right. also i dont think james Mcfadden raced browns he just raced go karts. also there is many more drivers that race speedway that race go karts. fedda, carruthers, walker, moore get all the good gear because browns take it from other drivers, who are not as good. just so they can make the brown karts look good. we are not stupid he can tell, i have been around to all the country tracks and all the lighting motors are the same speed. because they are all built the same you don't get one lighting driver winning all of the races but the browns they like to keep the quick drivers quick and the slow drivers slow. and dont get me started on there prices ;D well that is my piece for now so dont bad 360 drivers all anyone |
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Post by old timer on Jul 10, 2009 14:22:10 GMT 9.5
ok im not sticking up for any one here but im 100% sure james mcfadden did race a brown kart as did his dad. and reidy and pestka and whos the 360 aust champ? jones who raced a brown chassi.
people also have to remember drivers like moore have been racing over 20yrs and the other drivers named have been racing since they were young kids so they should be as good as what they are today.
where all racing on the same track here as some one has stated already and looking at the results on the brk website i think the rush kart is doing pretty well.
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Post by tom on Jul 10, 2009 21:01:16 GMT 9.5
I normally wouldn't comment... But saying that BRK withold technology from some drivers in favor of others is just wrong.
When i had been karting for about 2 years, and was struggling for setup, i approached Allan at an Adelaide meeting. He let me have a drive of Scott Dornan's (BRK team driver at the time) kart after the meeting, and i ended up buying the chassis (he would have sold me the motor too except i couldn't afford it).. I got explanations of how to set it up, and any time i asked, my questions were answered..
I won the S.A. State Titles in KT open the following year.
I would have had no chance if not for the help i received, and Allan at the time had no idea who i was, i'm sure anyone that approached in the same manner i did would have received the same support.
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Post by Mr X on Jul 10, 2009 22:04:34 GMT 9.5
It is right someone once told me that someones what can I say super quick motor was well tampered with and the fast bits where taken by the brownies. It has been posted in other posts on this site but to the normal reader it doesn't look as so.
Lightning may be racing 360's but at least their not trying to run formula 500s. That is like driving as remote controlled car LOL.
360 may be bad as you say but look at who is king of the bad class Jones. An ex-poo.
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Post by Mr X on Jul 10, 2009 22:04:53 GMT 9.5
Case Closed
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Post by driver on Jul 13, 2009 10:45:57 GMT 9.5
i think every 2 or 3 years you should get a new chassis unless you take very good care of your chassis
once the chassis is twisted or bent and welded you know it is time to get a new one
i think a chassis is only about 25% of being a good driver 25% motor and 50% driver
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Post by tom on Jul 14, 2009 12:56:56 GMT 9.5
i think a chassis is only about 25% of being a good driver 25% motor and 50% driver Be careful, people that can't run at the front don't want to hear that it is because they can't drive.. Much easier to blame the chassis/motor!!  I personally think chassis tuning isn't given enough importance on dirt karts.. I have driven loads of different karts, and there is a HUGE difference in how fast you can go with a great kart compared to one that is way off.. Fortunately it's quite easy to copy what the fast guys are doing to get close enough to the mark. |
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