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Post by outlaw19 on May 13, 2009 20:28:35 GMT 9.5
I read with interest in Speedway Net Forums that AIDKA licenses and Insurance are administered by NASR they license part I don't know but the insurance is a concern due to the fact that to race
Speedway Karts we must hold A NASR license and insurance which does not cross over to AIDKA and the same with NASR must hold a AIDKA license and insurance to race in AIDKA events. If this is correct why are we being ripped of by having to pay for the same insurance twice. The Insurance should carry through to both associations. If there is an element of truth here then I think
The executive should be taken to task concerning this. I hope members can shed some lite concerning this as to whether it is correct or not. I would have thought you can not be insured twice for the same thing by the same company.
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Post by Kart 13 on May 13, 2009 22:59:03 GMT 9.5
Any insurance policy is priced by the amount of risk. AIDKA'S insurance only covers licence holders for the sanctioned events planned for the season. As with any insurance, the user pays in advance. Pretty straight forward if you ask me.
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Post by tom on May 14, 2009 1:15:08 GMT 9.5
I don't fully understand your post Outlaw19 ?
Are you saying that AIDKA's insurance is brokered by NASR, or do they just use a common broker ?
A long time ago i was involved in brokering the insurance for AIDKA, and it was always a concern of mine that as an association we remained independent.
NASR are basically the speedway equivalent of CAMS in Australia, and it is my thoughts that aligning karting with cars will always result in karting being given a low priority.
I believe AIDKA should stand on it's own merits regarding the risks associated with our sport. I can understand how this would be different for karts racing speedway under the banner of SKAA or NASR.
In any case i agree with kart13, the AIDKA insurance fee covers AIDKA events, and if anything there is a case to be heard for a sliding scale of fees for the number of events that you compete in.
If you choose to race SKAA event(s), the extra insurance fee (and licence fee) is a reflection of the added insurance risk you face.
My personal view is that there should be complete separation between SKAA, AIDKA, and AKA.
SKAA race on tracks that have NASR sanctioning.
AKA race on tracks that have AKA sanctioning.
Both these sanctioning bodies have representation on an international level.
AIDKA race on tracks that have AIDKA sanctioning.
I can't see the need for AIDKA to have international representation.
In much the same way as when i was racing AKA and AIDKA at the same time (when co-incidentally they shared the same insurance broker), i chose to race multiple forms of the sport, so i needed to meet the requirements for each of them.
There was a time when the AKA tried to take over dirt karting in SA. Fortunately AIDKA was formed, and steps were taken to ensure that we had control over the direction of our association.
Having read the SKAA's vision, goals and class structure, they are significantly different to AIDKA. I'm really not sure why there should be any connection?
To me it would be like saying it's OK to race on an AKA dirt track as long as i have an AIDKA licence ?
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Post by outlaw19 on May 14, 2009 8:52:52 GMT 9.5
It appears from reading the speedway forum that AIDKA are purchasing the insurance through NASR. Then it is a case of double dipping on NASR part. AIDKA should have enough membership to be able to approach the insurance provider themselves. Speedway karting is trying to be re-established in South Australia, and there is a Riverland club that has ran on a speedway track, with the point being if they ran on a speedway track then they did so without appropriate insurance and license as in NASR license, or they competed on there AIDKA license which they again should not have. AIDKA and NASR should sit down at the table and negotiate suitable cross licensing arrangements either can run at either using the same insurance if it is all done though the one body. I know the rules governing SKAA and AIDKA are different and are changing again now, but there is a lot of interest in racing speedway style as is evident by the numbers who compete at Yorke Peninsula Speedway style meeting in January each year. I would like to see an affordable license and insurance package arranged so as both styles could be raced
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Post by tom on May 14, 2009 19:16:14 GMT 9.5
If AIDKA feel that they are getting the best deal on insurance through NASR, then that's fine! They should be shopping around and getting the best deal for the members.... If they could get a deal through AKA, CAMS, etc, that was better again, then go for it!
The issue of cross-licencing is completely separate though.
Sure it would be nice to race NASR without buying another licence and paying for insurance, but it's a different form of the sport, and should stand alone in much the same way as AKA.
PS.. I have nothing against SKAA, i have some close friends that have raced under that banner. Given the right circumstances i'd give speedway a go, looks like a blast! I just fail to see how AIDKA should be connected with it.
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Post by me on May 15, 2009 8:50:13 GMT 9.5
AIDKA get their insurance through Marsh and it is underwritten togther with NASR and 50 other organisations similar. This done at Marsh level not AIDKA level.
Marsh only cover for what is in the rule book, as I always say if the rule book says you need a blue track, well if your track is not blue you arent covered.
AIDKA and NASR do not deal directly,
my 5 cents worth
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Post by Cougar on Jul 10, 2009 21:09:02 GMT 9.5
Kart 13 explained it in simple terms. Insurance is based on RISK. AIDKA inserance covers AIDKA sanctioned race events NOT NASR events. If you are an AIDKA member and race at an other associations race event such as NASR the you need to accept that you pay insurance to that association. They are also paying insurance to cover therr sanctioned race events.
As per Kart 13 you pay for the RISK.
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Post by outlaw19 on Jul 10, 2009 21:20:07 GMT 9.5
Marsh who supply the insurance for both AIDKA and NASR have been approached and do not foresee a problem with the one insurance for both it is the controlling bodies who need to get their act together and come to an agreement it would be for the benifit of karting be it dirt kart or speedway karting
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Post by tom on Jul 11, 2009 17:58:12 GMT 9.5
Why would NASR karters rather be affiliated with AIDKA than AKA ?? The AKA has a rule-set that is specifically tailored for speedway style karts, so would seem like a more logical fit to me ?
I quite often see publicity for speedway karters in NSW (nepean). They seem to have themselves quite organised, and work with AKA for licencing and insurance.
I don't quite see how AIDKA fit in with speedway karting ?
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Post by outlaw19 on Jul 11, 2009 18:23:01 GMT 9.5
with the formation of a new club at Renmark under NASR control the option of running either formats in SA I am not talking about NASR being affiliated with AIDKA but being able to run one or the other or both. AKA do not run speedway karting in SA as they do in NSW . Dirt Karting in what ever format does not need to exist in their own little clique. I race Dirt Karts I will be running speedway karts but lets make it affordable and not exclusive to AIDKA NASR or AKA
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Post by tom on Jul 11, 2009 21:40:50 GMT 9.5
I hear what you are saying.. You want to pay insurance for one type of racing, and get coverage for two types of racing.
Good luck with that !
I hope you realise that if you take your TV around to your friends place, it is no longer covered by your contents insurance ? (even if your friend is insured by the same company!)
In essence, that is what you are asking for. You've paid insurance to race your kart under a certain rule-set. If you take it to another rule-set, the insurance isn't valid..
BTW.. How many AIDKA karters attended the last speedway kart national titles ?
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Post by outlaw19 on Jul 11, 2009 21:50:07 GMT 9.5
I am not going to flog a dead horse on this discussion. This goes back to the clique in.SA that is AIDKA There could be an excellent cross codes racing but hey thats my opion
My last comment on this subject
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Post by OUTLAW RACER on Jul 15, 2009 21:50:19 GMT 9.5
Ill put my 2 Bobs worth in, 1/ Firstly we must clear up that it is the Riverland Speedway that is trying to set up Speedway Karting which I am all in favour as I have raced both NASR karts and AIDKA karts and enjoy both.2/ What Speedway Karting have done now is they are reconising the fact that a Driver that holds a AIDKA Licence is quite capable to Drive a Kart Speedway style and will allow a one day Licence which gives you the insurance cover by NASR, at least someone is now thinking down the right lines.
3/No one has ever tried to cross over both Licences as it is just to hard.Different Associations and need to be.
4/ It was only a few years ago Marsh was approached about the Question about Drivers having Both licences{NASR & AIDKA} and having the same Insurance Cover.You are quite right outlaw 19 in saying what you said double dipping.
They suggested that one Association should consider looking at this as it could save a Association money by not having to purchase so much,the Association were asked to look at it but once again nothing was followed up.
5/ It was once again awhile ago raised again but fell on deaf
ears.
6/ How things revolve around it appears now that the insurance brokers have suggested that the Association should look at perhaps insuring through the other Association as to cut down on rising cost again on insurance.What a great idea, someone should have thought of that ages ago!!!!
7/ We all should be out there promoting Dirt Karting in general instead of looking at the negatives.Its time for both Associations to start talking to each other, they still need to keep there different Identities but if it means that Drivers may join either Association which means they will have to become members at each level with clubs does that not mean that we are promoting the sport .
Stay Tuned for more.
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Post by Cougar on Aug 5, 2009 20:46:43 GMT 9.5
Tom, your analogy of the TV being taken to a friends house is excellent.
I don't think anybody is against the promotion of either dirt kart discipline, just explaining the facts.
Marsh Insurance may have indicated that they would be happy to provide insurance to a single body for both sports, but was any detail on additional cost mentioned?
From what I have read on this site it doesn't sound like there are that many speedway only kart drivers. How many would there be if you didn't count AIDKA members? AIDKA gets in excess of 350 entries for their National Titles, it sounded like the speedway titles was probably smaller than most AIDKA Club events.
AIDKA Insurance covers a finite number of events per annum and each AIDKA Club has a allocated number of days racing insurance for the year. Any extra days insurance cover would require in extra insurance cover and additional cost.
A speedway association event is no different to an additional AIDKA event, additional insurance cover is required.
You should be happy that drivers are allowed to race in both associations. In some motor sports drivers/riders can be sanctioned or expelled as outlaws for competing at an alternative association event.
Maybe the speedway drivers should approach AIDKA to investigate the possibility of the speedway clubs becoming members of AIDKA.
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