Rules That Need Changing

[kartbay7]

I Think the following rules should be in place for the end of this year.

125 Mediums

Add 125cc Medium class and change weight to read the following.
125cc Light 125kg
125cc Medium 145kg
125cc Heavy 175kg
Reason:
This will allow the heavy drivers to have a chance at winning a title. It will also allow for us to spread out our fields at a titles. Clubs could still use the same split as this year if they cant run all three classes.

Class Rules
To compete in a class you must have the appropriate Licence grade or higher for that class.
License Grades
A Grade 200cc Open & Outlaw
B Grade 125cc, 100cc Open and KT Twin
C Grade KT Classes
D Grade J Junior lights and Heavys & J Open
E Grade J Rookies
O Grade Official

Reason:
This will allow people to stay qualified in any class as long as they dont go up in power. For example a KT Light would be qualified for mediums or heavys if they put on weight. The KT driver could also drive a J if they wanted to, but could not drive a B or A grade class unless they have done there three meetings.

[Admin]

I think the class rule is currently being used. Check you 2008 liscence.

[kartbay7]

No These rules did not go through last year That is why the Juniors are having so much trouble

[Karterdude!]

Mar 25, 2008 20:19:04 GMT 9.5 kartbay7 said:

No These rules did not go through last year That is why the Juniors are having so much trouble

Yes the Juniors were a bit unfairly dealt with.

[tom]

I agree with the class rule, i think the only reason the juniors had problems this year was the AIDKA executive wrongly interpreted the existing rule-book.. This could have been avoided with some consultation.

I think 125cc mediums is OK, but i'd much rather race in a field of 20 than a field of 10..

Maybe only have mediums if there are more than 16 noms in either light or heavy ?

I think it looks good for spectators to have full fields, and it is more fun for the drivers.

For all the weights, maybe it would be a good idea to survey all the licenced drivers, and tailor the weights to suit the majority of the actual drivers ?


At the risk of rambling on, i think another idea that would be helpful for the sport is to have a separate document to the rulebook that outlines the INTENT of each rule. That way if there is any doubt over the wording of a rule, an interpretation can be made based on what the intention of the rule actually was.. Too much time is spent arguing over wording, without looking at what we are trying to achieve.

Keep the good ideas coming...

[SpeedRacer]

Mar 25, 2008 17:19:25 GMT 9.5 kartbay7 said:

I Think the following rules should be in place for the end of this year.

125 Mediums

Add 125cc Medium class and change weight to read the following.
125cc Light 125kg
125cc Medium 145kg
125cc Heavy 175kg
Reason:
This will allow the heavy drivers to have a chance at winning a title. It will also allow for us to spread out our fields at a titles. Clubs could still use the same split as this year if they cant run all three classes.

Class Rules
To compete in a class you must have the appropriate Licence grade or higher for that class.
License Grades
A Grade 200cc Open & Outlaw
B Grade 125cc, 100cc Open and KT Twin
C Grade KT Classes
D Grade J Junior lights and Heavys & J Open
E Grade J Rookies
O Grade Official

Reason:
This will allow people to stay qualified in any class as long as they dont go up in power. For example a KT Light would be qualified for mediums or heavys if they put on weight. The KT driver could also drive a J if they wanted to, but could not drive a B or A grade class unless they have done there three meetings.

In 2009 this liscence grading is being used finally.

[anonymous]

Tom i agree about the book giving the intent on the rules, however i think it won't really matter even with a book because some AIDKA executives will still interpret things in the way they want it to be. They tell you one thing and then change their minds later on down the track.
I personally beleive it is time for a change of presidency as i think the current one has no foresight into the future of AIDKA and that changes need to be made to keep up with trends and for the future of Dirt Kart racing. There is still to much of them and us attitude eg. AIDKA/AKA/NASR. I would have thought that what ever is good for the sport in general is the best way to promote the sport. It is funny that some rules can be changed midway through a season because it is UNWORKABLE but there is no flexibility even if council decides otherwise, NO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR RULE CHANGES.
Anyway that is my harping for the day.

[tom]

Having a separate document with the intent (and the background discussion) for each rule in the rulebook would lower the chance of the AIDKA executive making an interpretation that wasn't consistent with the intent of the clubs.. I concede it would be an extensive document, but done correctly could reduce the size of the rulebook that is issued to competitors, as well as give people an opportunity to see the background issues resulting in rule changes.

I've never met the current president, and haven't gotten into the politics of the sport since my return after a lenghty absence..

Obviously there should be a plan for the future of the sport, and it should be an ongoing discussion between clubs. In many ways it is an advantage to move slowly, people like to invest in a class and not have things change around them after they have spent their hard-earned..

From what i can see, it will be decades before AIDKA is forced to move from using the "J" engine for juniors, same goes for the "S" as the entry level senior engine. These are simple engines, and i cannot see anything but harm coming from altering the rules we currently have for these classes..

Obviously the 100cc open class will be the first to go as these motors are no longer in production, i envision some clubs gaining sup-regs to race a "KF1" class and as the numbers of KF1 drivers exceed 100cc open drivers, this class will find it's way into the rulebook.

There seems to be good parity between rotax-leopard-fireball in the 125cc class, and stability here should be able to maintained for decades.

Is there anything in a future plan that you think AIDKA aren't discussing that they should be ?

I don't understand what you are saying about AIDKA having an "us and them" attitude to other karting associations.. Racing dirt circuits with treaded tyres puts AIDKA by themselves, i think our ruleset is working very well and this is backed up by the numbers of karters racing with AIDKA.

It is good to look at what other karting associations are doing, as some things can be learned, mainly doing the opposite of AKA would be a good start!!

I guess the key is clubs getting involved, maybe a compulsory 6 monthly report should be required from all member clubs, with the information distributed to all other clubs for discussion ?

[morerevsm3]

I race NASR with treaded tyres, have recently joined an AIDKA club and paid for an AIDKA license, and now am told I have to do 3 meetings rear of field in my KT and 6 with my open 100, I have been racing karts for years, both AKA bitumen and dirt, and NASR, have been on podium at national/state titles with AKA and NASR also raced speedway super sedan, still race cars on bitumen circuits and am an advanced driving instructor on circuits and skidpan...but not safe enough to start in the field at an AIDKA event apparently, surely common sense says run 1 meeting ROF under observation, if steward is happy, should be in field after that

[outlaw19]

Agreed morervsm3 I was in the same situation having race the old tq's and later speedcars on speedway it is difficult to understand this ROR rule. Some relevance should be placed on previous experience. My first choice would be racing karts on speedway under NASR but unfortunately we don't have regular programmed events in South Australia, so competing at clubs affiliated with AIDKA is the only option for dirt kart racing. I think the licence rule needs to be looked at for the non experienced drivers as well because of the driving standards of some is well below what it should be, with they should be required to drive more ROR events to learn race craft. It appears that race in get the 3 meetings as required then go racing works for some but there are a lot of bad habits formed with the mentality of bad luck I have my full licence I can do it. If I drove on speedway at a level of some drivers in dirt karting I would have been spending a lot of time in front of the Chief Steward. I would like to see a driving standards steward at race meetings to address licencing similar to CAMS type racing and I know a lot won't agree but it is easier to break bad habits early than to follow it up later after they have a full licence then it must be ok outlook. So yes I do agree more relevance should be placed in past experience when it comes to gaining a full licence with AIDKA

[tom]

I agree with having to run 3 meetings rear of field before getting an unrestricted AIDKA licence, regardless of previous experience..

I have been in the same situation when starting to race AKA after being state champion in AIDKA.. And also when returning to AIDKA after racing AKA for 3 seasons. Use the 3 meetings to familiarise yourself with the kart and circuits, as well as to observe the way the other drivers behave on the track. It's a lot easier to experiment with things when you are starting ROF.

Other than an ego thing i can't see the problem with starting rof for 3 meetings ?

This rule when applied to more experienced drivers has the dual purpose of preventing drivers from just showing up for a big meeting (Aust. titles for example) without racing in the field at some stage beforehand.

Driving standards is a different issue altogether, but keep in mind that some of the worst offenders are also some of the most experienced drivers!!

[outlaw19]

I have never considered it an ego thing!!! I raced my in my case I raced 6 ROF before getting my full licence because of the class I started in. Further I never said automatic licence granting I still believe experience does count and if a driver is confident and capable and able to show this, I am talking about drivers whom have previously race under a full licence in motorsport and they having already raced or are still racing in other forms of motorsport. They have already started learning race craft.
Driving standards yes I agree to a certain degree but we have current drivers whom consider side pods are a turning device and shunting just because you want to go faster. I am sure every senior driver if they are honest have had driving indiscretions at different times, but driving standards need to be at all levels and bad habits addressed to make for more enjoying racing to all

[Cougar]

Obviously AIDKA has higher standards and requirements to NASR. You have indicated that you moved to AIDKA is that because you weren't good enough a driver for NASR? In which case you may need more than 3 meetings to qualify...

[Cougar]

The rules need to be changed to only allow a driver to race in one weight division of a AIDKA class. ie. Can only race in KT Light OR KT Medium OR KT Heavy OR KT Statesman. 125 Light OR 125 Heavy etc.