AIDKA 2010 Rule Changes for 2011 Season

[John]

*** Extract from AIDKA Rule Changes ***

9.12.3 Late Nominations to Rear of Field all day including all Finals at club discretion

Rationale; This will stop people arguing with the club when they nominate late and want to race in the final in point’s position, when quick grid does not allow this to happen, also it will make people nominate as per club or AIDKA requirements for racing.

*** End of Extract ***

This new rule didn't really need to be added as the clubs already had the discretion to use a variety of methods to discourage late entries.

Could this club discretion be interpreted as meaning...

1. The club has the discretion as to whether or not to accept Late Nominations.

or

2. The club has the discretion as to whether or not to place drivers at the Rear Of Field all day including all Finals if they nominate late.

As the rule finishes with the wording "at the clubs discretion" I can't really see what was achieved.

Just a side note...QuickGrid was programmed to operate as per the AIDKA Rules of Racing and there has never been a rule up to now that related to Late Nominations being ROF. This was simply a local policy adopted by most clubs.

[Kart 7]

.....New Rule.....
11.2.7 The maximum piston and stroke are: Piston-51.20mm Stroke-50.05mm

Does this contradict the rule of keeping AIDKA J Motors in line with AKA rules.

I cannot understand why they have had to change this? It says it gives additional life to older engines but why would you want to run an old engine? Why allow the piston to be bigger? People seem to be happy with the current rules now so why change them. I see that the voting was close and I cannot see this being a positive for the sport if we change the rules away from AKA. AIDKA is a small association and this will just add to the frustration of selling a J Motor as bitchemen guys cannot buy them. I would really like to know why increaseing the power by ONLY 1cc as stated will be better. What is the point? Can someone please let me know?

[outlaw19]

IT should be reminded that AIDKA and AKA are 2 separate entities and there is no obligation on either association to have parity in their rules. It should also be reminded there are a lot of older J motors still being used in the entry level of karting and they should have the opportunity to keep some expense down before progressing into different grades and different motors. It also be said the same frustration can be had when buying AKA legal motors and finding they don't comply with AIDKA. Should it be the responsibility of AKA to bring them into line with AIDKA rules. We know that won't happen so lets wait and see what the tech committee comes up with on some of these rules.

[Kart 7]

Sept 8, 2010 20:35:38 GMT 9.5 outlaw19 said:

IT should be reminded that AIDKA and AKA are 2 separate entities and there is no obligation on either association to have parity in their rules. It should also be reminded there are a lot of older J motors still being used in the entry level of karting and they should have the opportunity to keep some expense down before progressing into different grades and different motors. It also be said the same frustration can be had when buying AKA legal motors and finding they don't comply with AIDKA. Should it be the responsibility of AKA to bring them into line with AIDKA rules. We know that won't happen so lets wait and see what the tech committee comes up with on some of these rules.

I was meaning that now the rules are basically the same so regarding measurements so why change them, this actually increases the cost of running a J as all current competitiors have to upgrade.

Also what is the deal with the technical commitee, some rules have to be approved by them.... What do they do?

[AIDKA Council Delegate]

Isn't it typical of some karters, complaining about the rule changes that have been adopted. All the clubs would have held a meeting for the purpose of discussing the proposed rule changes prior to voting. Where were you guys when you had the opportunity to voice your opinion!

[Mr X]

You win some you lose some... I for one think that the J rule is pointless, somebody must have put it in for personal gain as increasing by only 1cc is pointless and who needs a bigger piston in a J c'mon this class is budget why create an extra expense. Leaving the rules the same would have effected only a few people changing them effects everyone.

Also did the rule get in for title events that the first heat of racing could be on a Friday?

On a side note this technical comitee everyone is talking about what do they do?

[tom]

As far as AIDKA being a small association, i think you'll find by far the largest number of 'J' motors in this state are being raced on AIDKA tracks..

The gap Australia wide between numbers in AIDKA and AKA is narrowing as well.

[John]

The AIDKA Rule Change Meeting Minutes are on the AIDKA web site front page.

www.aidka.com.au/Minutes_Rule_Change_Aug_2010.pdf

Change No 77 seems to be the one you want and was accepted 14 to 0

[John]

The Technical Committee consists of a small group of people that would convene to review and make recommendations to the AIDKA Council on any submissions that would relate to items such as engine specifications and kart formula.

The members of this committee would typically have a sound technical background with a good knowledge of the subjects likely to be presented.

[John]

AIDKA Council Delegate (Guest)

Not sure if you were also referring to my question about the ROF but I was simply making a comment and asking a question not complaining.

I am not a member of an AIDKA club and so the rules don't directly impact on me but I do have an interest in the Rules.

As you are a AIDKA Council Delegate could you kindly provide us with what you believe is the intended interpretation of the new Rule.

9.12.3 Late Nominations to Rear of Field all day including all Finals at club discretion

Thank you for your assistance

[Delegate]

I believe rule 9.12.3 was introduced to clarify the situation of where a driver starts in the finals. I think QuickGrid default settings put a ROF driver to the rear in the final as majority are "P" plate drivers. A regular driver who starts rear all day and earns a good position in the finals should not have that taken away.
The rule could certainly be taken both ways.
It would not be in any clubs best interest to not accept late nominations. However it may cause programming issues if the entry caused a split field. It would always pay to check with the club beforehand.

[John]

For clarification...

QuickGrid has three entry types Regular, Rear of Field and Probationary.

ROF was originally as per the rules for drivers that moved up to a higher power class but the rule seems to have disappeared.

The ROF drivers start behind the Regular drivers and in front of the Probationary drivers. ROF and Probationary are both at the rear of the regular field for the entirety of the event including the Finals.

As I previously mentioned ROF was a "local club policy" that was adopted by clubs as a deterrent to drivers entering late. I believe it would have been used because of the time taken to manually complete the grid draw and prepare the result sheets. It was simply easier to place any late drivers at the bottom of the sheet and ROF.

Having been asked numerous times by various clubs about late entries, I provided several ideas for their consideration. Note that I always made it clear that it was up to the clubs to make a decision on how they wanted to manage late entries.

There are pros and cons for most of the suggestions and I don't necessarily believe some of them are good but as mentioned that is for clubs to decide.

1. Don't accept Late Entries
2. Double the Entry Fee for Late Entries
3. Place them ROF for the whole event
4. Place them ROF for the Heats and allow them in the grid for the Finals
5. Give them a Point Penalty of for example 50 points.

Contrary to popular belief item 4 is easily achieved using QuickGrid and a number of clubs were given information on how this could be done. It needs to also be understood that it makes no difference to the grid draw process whether or not the Late Entries are included in the Normal draw or placed ROF.

Personally I don't agree with any club policy that makes life harder for the Tower Officials and Grid Marshalls.