AIDKA are letting clubs make up their own rules?

[Johnson 88]

Why are AIDKA are letting clubs make up their own rules, forget your rule book & forget what gets passed at rule change meetings you can run what ever you want as long as your club lets it. I find this really stupid an AIDKA need to have a set of rules which ever body follows. What rules will they run under at a South Australian Title not that the engine guy even knows how to check an engine.


Just whine till you get what you want. Thats what happen last night at the AIDKA meeting. So we will have different rules pending where you race.

The end of AIDKA is bad for karting & its going that way in a big hurry. Guys stop listening to the whiners & show some leadership. I know the past president will be looking at you in shame if you continue the way you are going.

Over the past two years two very experienced people have been removed from the AIDKA executive team, they have been Mark Burford (the best engine checker ever) as he builds engines for a job and has been around karting for along time and knows ALL the rules and what they mean. Also as of recent David Palmer who has put a lot of effort into the building up of AIDKA. He would be very unhappy if all of his great and often underestimated work gets undone.

Please AIDKA follow the rules you have made. Wingers have no place in dirt karting, you either follow the rules or go to bitchumen where you cry when somebody hits you. For the sack of the association I am hoping that at the South Australian Titles the rule book is followed that has been released by AIDKA not that of the clubs.

Also I may be a hypocrite as I am winging but I have seen before new people completely screw up the work of many other before them I don't want this to happen.

[Karterdude!]

Well that's pretty sad. I know that the ADKC will be following the rulebook and so will AGKC. Why would you need to make you own rules? I think if a club wants to make there own rules karters who follow them should not be allowed to race against AIDKA rules followers as this is not fair or logical

[hopeless1]

I find myself wondering yet again where some people get there information from and if indeed they are actually sitting in on meetings whether they actually listen to what is being said. Again AIDKA are letting clubs do what they want, make their own rules BLAH BLAH BLAH, it is the council that make up AIDKA each club have delegates that make these decisions for all, not executive. I agree that Mark was great at what he does but Im also sure that Bruce is great at what he does too, two entirely different people, yes the previous president of AIDKA did a lot of work but obviously people weren't happy with his somewhat lack of moving forward if they have voted him out. Clubs decided to vote out clutches not executive, and they did this again last night, but supplementary regulations have allowed some clubs to go ahead and run them until rule change this year. This does not mean that the end result will be any different again next year, we will have to wait and see. Maybe the delegates that are sent to these meeting need to be more closely scrutinised by their club to ensure that the needs of the clubs are being met. Some clubs are quick to ram home again and again about regulations and constitution but when it suits them are also quick to change their mind and want it all their way. Well guess what you the clubs make the decisions not the executive team, stop trying to lay blame on anyone but your club delegates, if AIDKA does fall in a heap it will be no one's fault but the clubs. The executive if anyone is bothered to look do not have voting rights they do not have power to overturn council decisions unless the rules are unworkable or a safety issue. PLEASE drivers and club members speak to your club presidents, and delegates and ensure that they are doing the best for your club, drivers, members and anyone involved in karting and involving you the member in decisions that they are taking to meetings.

[Kart 33]

Feb 27, 2010 15:08:38 GMT 9.5 @hopeless1 said:

I find myself wondering yet again where some people get there information from and if indeed they are actually sitting in on meetings whether they actually listen to what is being said. Again AIDKA are letting clubs do what they want, make their own rules BLAH BLAH BLAH, it is the council that make up AIDKA each club have delegates that make these decisions for all, not executive. I agree that Mark was great at what he does but Im also sure that Bruce is great at what he does too, two entirely different people, yes the previous president of AIDKA did a lot of work but obviously people weren't happy with his somewhat lack of moving forward if they have voted him out. Clubs decided to vote out clutches not executive, and they did this again last night, but supplementary regulations have allowed some clubs to go ahead and run them until rule change this year. This does not mean that the end result will be any different again next year, we will have to wait and see. Maybe the delegates that are sent to these meeting need to be more closely scrutinised by their club to ensure that the needs of the clubs are being met. Some clubs are quick to ram home again and again about regulations and constitution but when it suits them are also quick to change their mind and want it all their way. Well guess what you the clubs make the decisions not the executive team, stop trying to lay blame on anyone but your club delegates, if AIDKA does fall in a heap it will be no one's fault but the clubs. The executive if anyone is bothered to look do not have voting rights they do not have power to overturn council decisions unless the rules are unworkable or a safety issue. PLEASE drivers and club members speak to your club presidents, and delegates and ensure that they are doing the best for your club, drivers, members and anyone involved in karting and involving you the member in decisions that they are taking to meetings.

The fact that AIDKA don't tell us what they are doing by word of mouth things change. I think that's the main problem people are interested but things change from mouth to mouth. Hopefully the new AIDKA website will keep members informed about what happens at the AIDKA meetings.

[tom]

Can someone please explain what rules have been broken ?

[outlaw19]

As a delegate at last nights meeting it irks me to have comments made under the guest tag. You should justify your claims and have the fortitude to address your name. I can be contacted anytime and by checking my profile you can see who I am and can be contacted. You say stop the winging well are you not do so yourself but blatantly hiding so no one can have a discussion with you. There were issues discussed last night and sorted to some degree not to everyones opinion but thats how it went.
This clutch issue I feel still isn't sorted out and will be discussed many more times before rule change. I agree with our AIDKA Pres: BOB who is the current president not the outgoing one. Each new member has a right to empass their ideas at the meetings as did the last president. Rule changes must be presented on whole to all membership for discussing prior to any vote, not just a selected few. The rule changes affect all members so when they are published take the time to read and form an opinion or in the the words of the guest stop winging. AIDKA as a whole and remember you are all members of AIDKA if you have membership make the decisions not just the executive they don't the membership tells them what is wanted. AIDKA is not one person nor a group of previous office bearers: but you as the membership AIDKA> Stop hiding behind the guest id and show some fortitude and be open to discussion or all you you are doing is winging

[Kart 14]

Feb 27, 2010 16:22:10 GMT 9.5 tom said:

Can someone please explain what rules have been broken ?

I think it has something to do with the clutches in juniors and from what I can gather AIDKA is letting some clubs run them at club shows.

As long as they are never used in titles what's the problem

[outlaw19]

Three clubs 1 SA 2 WA have been granted A Sub Reg to run clutches on club days only. State and National events no clutches, so that is a non arguing point.The important part being of this rule is the word "option" to use a clutch as approved and can only be used at the 3 clubs. If clutches are fitted and the member wants to compete at other clubs then they must be removed and fall in line behind the ruling.
The vote not to allow clutches was a lot closer than the first vote with the result being 9 against clutches 7 for so currently clutches can not be used other than through the sub reg allocated to the 3 clubs. Also it should be known that these were not the only sub rules approved last night so why is nothing being said about the others, they too have bearing on race formats at 2 other clubs in SA. What was approved last night was with in the constitution and regulations of AIDKA.Lets now work with what we have got, things change and this may change again at future rule change meetings time will tell.

[Brook]

Everyone needs to understand several things here, you are a member of your club, your club is a member of AIDKA. If you have a problem put it in writing to your club they will address it and forward it to AIDKA if they see fit. Our insurance policy is our rule book, if you break a rule and get injured from that or injure someone else you will have no insurance cover if the insurance company was to find out that you did not comply.

To see the amount of winging on this site gets a bit much, if your not happy with the way things are going put your hand up and get on the committee at your club or even better get on the executive of AIDKA and you then will see how much those people who are trying really hard are banging there heads against the wall. I know I was there once!

[Jamie Thorpe]

was clutches the only thing ok'ed to run at club level at 4 clubs in WA and 1 in SA, no one mentioned KT ladies at Mogan or Renmark. Why would that be ? (we voted in support of KT L at their club )but
Its because people get on here without their real name and stir shit, grow up ! wake up !
OUr members in WA want clutches and at a 95% rate of jnr running them in WA as a delegate we can only put accross what they want,

As I say to our members if you want the track purple and you vote on it then we make the track purple, this is the way its done.

Lets move karting forward ! lets make it bigger than AKA ! but we cant do it if people leave meetings or hear other info wrong or 2nd a dn 3rd hand.

Alot of problems can be fixed (some with time) ban clutches because it caused some kid to be taken out, Is that the answer how about we fix the stewarding so they know how to handle it or deal with it. If someone has a bad accident in a 125 caused by someone elses wrong doing do we ban 125's NO we dont !

Its not easy running a club and organising stweards and the like BUT in the end we are all there for the better of the sport !

We are a national body with 48% of AIDKA last year was from WA. We are a national body ! and more clubs coming online from WA to QLD.

Please think about your post on this board and what it means to all that reads it, and if you feel strong enough about a subject then you should be strong enough to use your name

I will lastly say this is my personal opinion

Yours In Karting
Jamie Thorpe

[outlaw19]

I agree Jamie there is the need to be upfront not all share the same opinion thats fair enough but as you said be strong enough to use your name. This is a national body to expect everyone to share the same ideas on how it should be done won't happen but lets work with what we have and get on with it.

Brenton Talbot

[mike]

The Clutch thing again!!!

Look as far as I am concerned I DO NOT have a 2010 rule book. Was not issued with log book. So I cant run 2010 rules if I dont know them can I??

Before you go on about its on the website, yes most of it is apart from sections 10-14.
what about the people with no internet or dont go to the website.

I have said it before, Disallowing the clutches is a major step backwards in Occupational Health and Saftey. Its 2010 people!!!! Spose we should over rule neck braces too because some people dont like them either.

Mike Collingwood

[Kart 99]

AIDKA dealt with this situation in the right way, because I know a lot of people in WA have clutches.

Also in regard to your comments mike does anybody actually have a rule book?

[John]

I'm not a member of AIDKA but have had some involvement in assisting (I hope anywayy) AIDKA over the last 10 years.

I believe that as long as at a local club level the supplementary regulations do not impac on safety or insurance then they shouldn't be a problem.

The only comment I would like to make is that if a supplementary rule is made to allow some flexibilty at a club level, why not make it for all AIDKA member clubs on a "optional basis". Example the clutches as mentioned above could have been worded as an optional club level ruling.

State, Territory and National Title Rules are a different matter and obviously are more stringent.

There are clubs running combined classes to make the events run more efficiently. As long as previously stated it doesn't impact on safety and insurance coverage it shouldn't be considered a problem.

As somebody previously stated, ultimately each AIDKA club has a vote on the AIDKA Council and the members of those clubs should be voting on how their delegate votes. If not then you need to address that at your specific clubs.

AIDKA Executive can provide some guidance but ultimately the Council delegates representing the club members make the decisions.

If you feel that you are not up to date with outcomes of the AIDKA Council meetings then you should raise this with your club secretary.

[karter #94]

As far as i have seen clubs run by the rules and i agree that now having clutches is a major step backwards i run a 125cc and love having a clutch. All this having a go at AIDKA Executive is good to let it out of your system but in the end its not helping the sport we all love so we all need to get together and make this a better sport by helping the AIDKA Executive to make changes to help the sport grow. Just my opinion.

Bradley Morrison

[tom]

Clubs being able to apply for sup. regs. has been a part of AIDKA since it's inception. It makes sense for different regions to run rules that enable the most successful promotion of their clubs.

If there is a club that has 20 people wishing to run KF1 motors for example, what could possibly be gained by AIDKA refusing to allow those people to join our association and assist in promoting the sport ?

With the clutch example, if you abide by the AIDKA rules, you can still race at ALL member clubs without a clutch fitted, so i don't really see what the fuss is about.. Doesn't seem that hard to me.

[Pete]

I know this may sound stupid but here goes.....

If a club that has a sup rule runs a Title the sup rules become invoid at that event?? Do ee only run by the AIDKA Rulebook at the Title events??

Peter Smith

[outlaw19]

There is so much ho ha over these "sup regs". The clutch issue applies only to YP and the WA tracks it only affects the J classes which are ALLOWED TO USE CLUTCHES AT CLUB EVENTS ONLY! If a driver with a clutch wants to run at another club or compete in State and National Championships then the clutch must be removed and abide the AIDKA rule book. The other "sup regs" concern running Ladies Only class at Renmark and Morgan again which only applies at those 2 clubs. Outside of those clubs then the AIDKA rule book applies. In most case these rules do not impact on any other classes. THIS IS STRAIGHT FORWARD to understand and I really can't see why so much is being made out of this because 95% of drivers will continue on as they do by the 2010 Rule Book.

[outlaw19]

STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS run by the current AIDKA rule book current for that season of racing. State Championships at Yorke Peninsula will run by the 2010 rule on whole, including the j"s not being allowed to use clutches, nor will there be a ladies only race>

[Pete]

That clears a lot up. Thanks now I can see there is no problem.